London Show 2

London show #2 3-8-07

Special event for the Spiral kids today – we were let in to listen to Year Zero and have some snacks. We got let in around 4:30, there was sandwiches and dessert things and tea. Jeordie and Aaron came out to introduce the album. Jeordie was smiling and actually looked cute. Aaron was funny, telling us they were going to have pizza for everyone but thought we’d be out of our element so we got tea and crumpets instead. Jeordie then began to play the album off his phone/pda into the mic before having the album start on the sound system. Initial reaction – it’s kind of hard to gauge, just like when Adr2 and I went up to Toronto to hear With Teeth. Listening to it that loud with echo and distortion of the venue, vocals were drowned out and things like that. Trent said it began as an experiment in noise and you can definitely hear that. I don’t really know why but it kept reminding me of Gary Numan. It’s going to take some listens by myself in my car etc before I can really form an opinion on it. It’s promising, let’s say 🙂 I’m not scared anymore haha.

After the album finished we were let back into the lobby to collect our cameras and cell phones, and instead of shipping us back outside like they were going to, we were able to queue inside to get right back on to the floor not long after.

The show itself started and I was a bit disappointed that it seemed like we were right back to the same old show… Love Is Not Enough, Sin, Terrible Lie, March of the Pigs, Something I Can Never Have, The Frail/The Wretched (which I was glad to see back)…but then he threw in The Beginning is the End from Year Zero, which came off very cool, tho having only heard it an hour before it’s kind of hard to really compare. That was followed by Closer, with super hot homoerotic trent/aaron action. Instead of Burn following, they brought back Deep. Awesome. Hadn’t seen that since..the November 05 leg. I think No You Don’t followed, Gave Up, Help Me I Am In Hell, Eraser…what else..Survivalism, Wish, Hurt, The Hand That Feeds – renamed “A Lovesong for George Bush” – Head Like A Hole, oh! La Mer/Into the Void…no Piggy and no Suck, score! Haha. I feel like I’m missing something there.

Have you ever heard a Polish guy sing Hurt? And no this is not the beginning of a bad joke. The crowd today was 10x worse than yesterday, I was smashing this poor super short girl in front of me, then eventually got pushed in between her and V at the rail. All the pushing by these 2 Polish or maybe Russian guys, who when they weren’t singing broken english lyrics, they were talking in whatever language. But Hurt in Polish/Russian broken english becomes “I will let you go” and “I will let you die” hahaha. He continuously apologized for crushing us. Dude, we’re at a show, it’s alright. But what isn’t alright is using me for a pogo stick and humping. Brusied up real nice, but feel fine.

Great show again, and just different enough from the 28 other shows from 05-06 to make it not totally…what’s the word? The same. haha

Fangirl post #1

I’m going to post my very fangirl review of the first show first, while it’s still somewhat fresh in the mind. Family needs not to read this since I know you won’t care. This is going to be very stream of consciousness as I remember seemingly random things.

We met up with the guy who was going to sell Alex his extra ticket (for less than face value!) and headed to Brixton. Got there around 12:30 maybe, right behind S and V. It was great to see them again and hear their stories of the tour so far. The butter story was the most entertaining, as well as the almost fight/death threat story.

Fast forward to doors, 1 back in front of Aaron. Surprise? Ladytron opened, and I had been interested in seeing what they would be like after looking at their myspace. Sounded good but not extremely exciting on stage. But better than some other opening bands I’ve seen.

/begin fangirl

hfs!! trent went away for a few months and got some new ultra hot moves *dies*. just the first 5 seconds of “somewhat damaged” and the little move he did….gah. I really think he has come into his sexiness as he has aged, because I would never describe Downward Trent as being sexy…but dear lord.

/end fangirl???

As expected “Somewhat Damaged” followed by “Last”, then followed by of all things “Heresy”…incredible opening to a show. “Heresy” was totally unexpected and I was very happy that I hadn’t been looking at setlists. The whole show was really a surprise, as to what was going to come next. In the end, there was 1 Pretty Hate song, most of Broken, 7 Downward songs, a few Fragile and 2 With Teeth.

I really had forgotten that Jeordie was even there until the beginning of “Eraser” when they start playing with the old factory beat up looking light fixtures (which gave me a revelation, more later) that have strings on them so they can grab them and swing them around. He had way too much fun doing that hahahaha. It was really hard to take ones eyes off of Trent.

Setlist…this is what I remember in no particular order: Somewhat Damaged, Last, Heresy, March of the Pigs, Piggy, Ruiner, Closer, Burn, Gave Up, Help Me I Am In Hell, Eraser, Hurt, The Day The World Went Away, The Big Comedown, Only, The Hand That Feeds, Head Like A Hole, Wish, Suck, Survivalism….

It was a fairly tame crowd, smooshed, but there wasn’t a single idiot violent ass person around us, it was a nice change. Not hurt at all, tho I’ve now noticed my wrist is bruised but no idea how – I was pressed up against S the whole show. Very few crowd surfers, and it was rather cool as the smoke fans the band used blew right on us more or less. At one point the security guard offered me water, and I looked at him like “Why?” There was no need. Of course a few people back they were all hot and dying, so he stood in front of us to pass back water…right as The Big Comedown started…dude…seriously…big comedown you need to move!!! He finally did and good thing too 😛

Oh right, before the show, V had gone to the bathroom to scope out the USB situation, and S and I were talking about where they had been found etc etc etc, wondering where they’d be today…neither one of us realizing that it was right in front of us taped to a flyer on the rail hahaha. She noticed and grabbed it. We’ll see tomorrow what was on it this time.

There were alot of Americans there. A good chunk of the Spiral line were Americans. I’m not sure how I feel about that. Makes things feel alot like they did back in the states, and I had sorta been looking forward to something different.

But we did get it. We got a completely different show, and thinking about what was not played, like Terrible Lie, I didn’t miss the omissions. It was really nice to see a completely different show than the With Teeth tour. I wouldn’t say it has alot to do with the concept of Year Zero (yet) but different songs, and you can sort of see how the shows could morph into being more meaningful as to the concept of the album. Sorta seems like the songs Trent has chosen for this leg could fit into the theme of the new record if you try real hard haha.

Very awesome show. At one point while queuing we had remarked about how many security guards were around – alot – which was odd. S ended up hearing later that there were so many guard around because there was going to be a meet and greet. I swear to god, the NIN camp scopes out the line to see who’s in it, and then decides to have a meet and greet based on that. And that means I will never ever meet that bastard! haha 😉 29 shows and counting…

Ah yes the revelation…another rumor is that Trent is doing a Year Zero movie. And looking at the faux ruined “factory” lights, I realized how perfectly Buffalo Central Terminal, and other Buffalo abandonments, could fit into the theme of Year Zero. hollywoodinmemoriam.com speaks of a dirty bomb hitting the oscars in LA…the Terminal could easily be used as a set for that sort of storyline, without having to make a fake set. So many other places that could be used for sets in a Year Zero themed movie. So now my main goal in life is to get Trent to use the Terminal in his YZ movie, and then work on the piano concert on the Terminal mezzanine. 🙂 And going along with that, the art show I want to do..

kmfdm

kmfdm with combichrist tonight at buffalo icon. it was nice to go to a show where i had absolutely no expectations. i had no idea what it would be like, and it was sorta neat, because the music is so different than what i’ve seen live before. adr2 and bliss said that combichrist was not good, but turns out they were way better live. they were good. they had two drummers which was cool. they reminded me of alex, jerome’s replacement last fall, and blue man group hahah. there was another guy i couldn’t see, he was the “dj” i guess. the singer reminded me of jay gordon and the bauhaus roadie. yeah. liked them. i thought kmfdm was pretty good. different kind of feel to a show. and lucia is way hot. it was interesting to be at show where you’re not the superfan, and get to watch all these other superfans. it was funny haha. i had fun, enjoyed the show more than i did tool…which is a bit unfortunate, but whatever.

the hair dying was successful. my hair is a nice cherry color…well as cherry as dark hair is gonna get. i like it, and most of it washed off my skin. of course it’ll fade tomorrow when i wash it. i may try the mixing color with shampoo tip, but i’m scared of dying everything i own red… tons of product in it trying to make it sorta mohawky.

starving!

i had a pumpkin muffin today and had a flashback to the oct/nov tour trips… adr2 and bliss incorrectly thought they were all i ate during the trip. haha

i’ve been getting bad headaches every night now for a week or so…they hurt so much they wake me up. the only day i didn’t get one was sunday when i had to get up at 12 so dusty could take portraits of me in the terminal. i really don’t think it’s from sleeping too long, cuz i’ve been getting approx the same amount of sleep each night…make them go away

Tool

tool concert in cleveland tonight. headed up with tony, phil and patrick, got in around 6:30 and tried to find a place to eat. reminder: i hate cleveland. as patrick put it, you shouldn’t have to go more than 2 blocks in any big city to find a restaurant. but there were none. eventually found a place, and had sorta crap service, but whatever.

the show. the floor was all seats, and we had seats side stage mid section, and they ended up being really good. tony was impressed hehe. isis opened, and they were the same sort of art/atmospheric-metal type thing that tool does. i swear they only played 4 really long songs. they weren’t bad, but to me, sort of boring. tool came on around quarter after nine and opened with stinkfist. rockin of course. followed by the pot, i think it’s called, which wasn’t bad. but most of the rest of the show was new stuff, and given the fact that i still don’t like the album, i was kinda just eh about it. i don’t think the setlist showed off the fact that maynard is (still) the best rock singer around. they were easy songs to sing – and of course he makes singing seem so simple – and just…not the best choices to show how good that band is. 3 songs from aenima – stinkfist, 46&2, aenima, 2 songs from lateralus – schism, lateralus, the rest was new stuff. they played one of the songs from 10,000 days that i can’t listen to because the guitar tone shoots right through me something awful. i think they also played the 2 longest songs of the record, and it just bugs the hell out of me. it was boring. just as trent doesn’t do an encore, they only had a “sort of” encore…they never left the stage, they all got rid of their instruments and sat on the stage for a few minutes, then got back up and started with lateralus. highlights: lateralus and aenima (the closer). lateralus was incredible…disappointed that there was no “sober”…a song that truely shows off maynard’s voice, and gives me chills. nothing from undertow.

looks like the setlist was the same as the toronto show, which was
Stinkfist
The Pot
Forty Six & 2
Jambi
Schism
Lost Keys
Rosetta Stoned
Wings For Marie
10,000 Days
Lateralus
Vicarious
Ænema

maynard had a mohawk, and looked oddly attractive in jeans and a cowboy hat. and it sort of disturbs me that i think that. haha

so it was good, i’m not sure tool can be bad, but as patrick said in the car, he thinks they were better when he saw them with lateralus. i agree. i wouldn’t see them again this tour, but of course i’d go again in the future.

in other news….Lacuna Coil – December 12th Toronto, ON – Kool Haus. they’re supposed to be touring in november as well. yay! hopefully they don’t play all new stuff 🙂

back to work tomorrow.

family values

today was the family values show with kate at darien lake. we got there around 5 just as dir en grey was going on. from the photos i saw on some website about them, i was surprised that they looked like “normal” rockers, rather than glammed up multi colored hair rockers. they weren’t bad. it was just weird seeing japanese boys playing metal. haha. but i love little japanese boys. so cute. flyleaf followed. they’ve got a little chick singer. appearance wise she reminded me of avril lavigne, she sounded sorta like bjork with a metal scream. they weren’t bad, but she was too quiet and everything sorta sounded the same. the guitarist looked like a caveman. kate thought she was watching a geico commercial and i thought it was an snl unfrozen caveman lawyer sketch hahahah. stone sour was up next. i only had ever heard bother, and possibly another song, and they were pretty good. corey was sick but i couldn’t tell. deftones followed. they played “passenger” !!! !! i was like, is it, could it be?? YES! that made me happy. and they rocked of course. will definitely have to look into the new album. apparently their new single is called “buffalo” and it’s about chino and maynard james keenan being stuck in Buffalo haha.

then korn. they were good but it was sorta weird without head. they had another person drumming besides david, the guitarist with a mask on who replaced head, and then other people with animal masks on….to make head’s replacement not seem so odd maybe? not entirely sure. i don’t know any of the songs from the last 2 albums because well…i didn’t like them. they didn’t do that many of them tho so that was good. there were long breaks between songs while jon davis sucked oxygen from a mask. a few times it seemed like someone got off beat, and the songs would sound weird for a bit. it was good but…not as good as the other times i saw korn. they did “hollow life” acoustic from a small center stage, which was neat. david playing bongos, so hot. chino came on stage to do “wicked” which was awesome – except both his and jon’s mics stopped working at the end hahaha. and between some songs jon davis turned a fire hose on the crowd. i could have SO done with out that…#1 it was friggen cold out #2 i didn’t need red dye streaming down my face. and just, no reason or desire to be wet. oh and i got a guitar pick before the show even started, and i had to fight more for that fucking pick than i did for a tambourine. the pick landed next to me so i put my foot over it, and like 3 people piled on me to try to get my foot off of it. wtf retards.

the show ended up being a reunion of people from high school i never ever thought i’d see again. first, this guy grabs me, and it’s tex/jeremy who graduated early senior year to join the marines. wow. he saw me, not the other way around, so i was totally surprised that he would even remember me and want to talk to me. so it was neat to see him. he hasn’t changed. but he’s married! hahah. then after one of the sets i was looking at the seats behind us and joe, the original goth boy in highschool who shaved his eyebrows off and wore eyeliner to school, who i was in love with, was there. i think the last time i saw him was at a deftones show hahah. didn’t expect him to come talk to me either but he did, then came into the pit and hung out with us for all of deftones. i have his number to hang out and go to shows now. gah i so used to love that kid hahahahha.

i’m 99% sure that mark, trent’s security head during the feb/march tour is now with korn. it looked like him from where i could see him on stage, but since he wasn’t walking around like he did during nin i didn’t get to talk to him and find out for sure. i’ll have to tell amira anyway.

The Xs

today brought meeting someone from uer who i was quite mad at for a while for adding a bunch of wny locations to the database. he’s not a bad guy and knows better now haha. he wanted to shoot 360 panoramics of the terminal, so i met him there at 2. board meeting at 5. the usual haha. mary called at the end of the meeting about going to diablo to see brett from fuel’s new band The X’s. sure why not. went to dinner with ctrc people first then met mary at the bar. there were actually people there this time hahaha. breakerbox opened, and i had heard about them from their participation in the bct benefit cd. they were pretty good. the x’s were fun. hyper. seemed like the had a good time playing together. grabbed the setlist for mary and hung about to get the band members to sign it. brett had been sitting at the bar the whole time, but after the show disappeared. haha boo. waited around a bit and he finally reappeared so mary got to talk to him, and got a picture and all that. had a good time. it was nice to hang out and catch up on things from the past 4 years LOL. aside from running into her a few times at shows, i hadn’t really talked to her much since her and eric broke up. she told me she was glad i didn’t hate her haha. it was good. i need more friends here. between sets the bar did a tattoo contest, and tried to do a best ass and best tits contest. no one was going on stage for the t&a and suddenly brett is standing there showing everyone his ass LOL. the guy from the bar on stage wanted me to go up, i was like I DONT HAVE ANYTHING TO SHOW LOL. out of nowhere this weird guy next to me starts yelling in my ear that he’s going to go up there and spread his ass cheeks out and show everyone his butt hole. me and mary were like wtf just happened hahah. good times good times haha.

Peaches

the peaches show

the first opening band was called World Provider. after the first song, i sort of very loudly asked, “what the hell are we watching?” immediately i thought i was watching a will ferrel skit on saturday night live. seriously. i’m still not convinced that this is a real band and not a practical joke. if napoleon dynamite and Anchorman could have a child who sang kareoke it would be this guy. i also LOLed at a few parts of songs. it was just so ridiculous. he also began to channel “2 wild and crazy guys” from SNL at one point too. as adr put it, “he looks like the drunk guy at the office party.” hahah. it was horrible, and yet one couldn’t look away. it was funny cuz the security guard kept laughing at the guy. later suddenly the singer was stripping and was weaing a gold lame jumpsuit. wtf. adr2 motioned to the guard to look, and he burst out laughing again. we’ve seen alot of spaz lead singers in NIN opening bands but this really took the cake.

2nd band was the eagles of death metal. and i think their fabulous only because of their name. i’ve heard about them for a while now, having no idea what they sounded like, but admiring the name. it’s just so great. anyway. they weren’t bad and they were fun. lots of people there knew them, and were nuts. moshing etc. typical toronto show. after a while the songs all sounded the same though.

peaches. fabulous. her own show, so a long long set. the songs we didn’t know were fun, and they had a dance troupe from toronto join them for certain songs. and wow. crazy. this one guy had mesh underwear on…didn’t need to see that. very fun though the crowd wasn’t my favourite. just irritating people. very recommended.

and i think i saw what could possibly be the hottest man ever. my god, he was just so fucking attractive. and he had a mohawk. he’d look great with flock of seagulls hair hahah

Jeff Martin in Buffalo

it’s been an eventful 2 days…well…for my life at least haha.

wednesday brought babysitting megan so jenn and jeff could go out. but by saying i babysat, that’s not really true. i was there, and i played with her, but adrienne was there too, and she changed and fed and put megan to bed. but wow she grew alot since i last saw her. and she came to answer the door. wasn’t expecting that haha. but it was fun. hung out with jenn and jeff a bit after they got home, then went to dennys and home.

and then my stomach exploded again. gah 2 times in 1 week.

good thing i went to the dr today. got a prescription again but i also have to go see a stomach specialist, and get a biopsy done or whatever happens when they stick a tube down your throat into your stomach. not til august though.

stopped at starbucks for a pomegranate frap, which wasn’t as good as i had hoped for. but i got a new book about the cold war. *dork*

tonight brought jeff martin at thursday in the square. adr and i headed down around 5, and found joe r. right up front. so joined him and watched burning paris. joe and i were both like, why do we know them? they were all in other bands we had seen before. haha. then jeff martin. i can’t say i’m too enthusiastic about his new stuff. i like dark and moody jeff martin of the tea party, not married father happy jeff martin. of all the tea party songs to do, they did “the messenger” barf. “turn the lamp down low” was good tho. and it turns out, i knew the keyboardist.

my favourite crappy band from the casino featured this really cute guy, but they still did bad versions of u2 songs among the other covers they did. they’d always play on sunday nights. recently i saw them and noticed cute guy was gone. that’s a shame. well cute guy is now the keyboardist for jeff martin. that’s quite a step up! congrats hahaha

so after the square we went to ihop for food before meeting adr2 and bliss at club diablo. ran into paul there, as well as the photographer i spent sunday with at the terminal. there really wasn’t anyone else there, and we totally took over the juke box. tons of nin. it turned into reminiscing night, and we had way more fun that we probably should have. had yummy drink that was basically malibu and pineapple juice, which i had been planning to order anyway. just big, and with a little devil hahah. so yeah. way too much fun.

going to try to get tuesday off to go see peaches in toronto. i got written up for my attendance, for my sick days without sick time. ppl keep thinking i called in to see trent, and i didn’t. i’ve actually been sick!

the 28th and final show….for now

NIN Pittsburgh

a tornado, traffic, 2 semi’s harassing us all the way down 79, bad venue directions again, 5 hours later and a half an hour to park, adr and i got to the venue outside of pittsburgh right as bauhaus was about to go on. turns out we actually had GOOD spiral seats….1st row of seats behind the pit, dead center. it felt like we were in the pit, just with no one touching us haha. too bad no cameras….

bauhaus was great again. peter murphy didn’t want to sing the “saxaphone” song again, but daniel ash said, i don’t care i’m gonna do my tongue clicking part anyway. hahah there was mega hot action during “rose garden”.

nin’s set was pretty normal…back to the “usual” for this leg. but…towards the end of the set, after…hurt…trent started talking about how long they’ve been on tour and that it was nice to play so close to where he grew up. then he started to say they were going to play something they hadn’t before… so i thought OMG PERFECT DRUG…well no. he then introduced peter murphy, who came out and they played “final solution.” didn’t know the song, but it was friggen great, they were totally having fun on stage, and interacted well together. something special for our last show.

getting out of the venue was the fastest ever, about 10 min!?! but boots + gravel = sprained ankle. feels fine right now but we’ll see tomorrow haha. the drive home was uneventful and back to the more acceptable 3.5 hrs.

if you drive south on us-62, aka niagara falls blvd, you’ll eventually get to mercer. LOL the highway sign for mercer had the us-62 label and i was like, wait a minute! a direct link! hahahahahahhha no we didn’t go to the high school again.

so it’s over. i’m very much looking forward to not driving the stretch of the 90 between buffalo and erie for a great while. so while a break will be nice as trent finishes the album, i dont have anything to really look forward to at this point. saving money for europe will be nice….

anyway. i don’t know what else to say. good night.

26 years…

gah. way too much traveling this week. a recap.

i hate ohio.

tuesday brought the nin show in “cleveland”. got there around 3 i think and met up with adr2 and bliss. it wasn’t a too bad of day, considering the forecast said storms all day long. there was all kind of line drama again, and bull. but whatever. had pit tickets for this one, and it was a decent sized pit.

peaches – i quite enjoy her.

bauhaus – i like them more each show. peter murphy was all snarky and diva, yelling at the light guys for having things set up wrong.

nin – same set as detroit. i was really irritated so i didn’t quite have the best time. i decided that i didn’t feel like participating, so i just watched. noticed alot of things that i don’t normally when one is rocking out. like trent watches everyone in the front during “burn”. the band sounded great again. rob sheridan has been recording at least parts of the shows for an HD dvd, i hope they get the audio from these outdoor venues. it is killer.

after the show i took off out of the pit right away. just wanted to get out. walking out the same way we came in, daniel ash from bauhaus is just sitting on this cement wall on the side of the stage. apparently no one else was paying any attention because everyone just kept walking right on by. if you saw him how could you NOT know it was him. he is the most rock star looking rock star i’ve ever seen. so i went over, shook hands, said they were great and see you tomorrow. he was very nice. and hot. LOL

on the way out, walking with adr and jess and mike, 2 ppl we met in toronto, we ran into this guy being all weird who wanted to talk to us. we thought he was on drugs or something, but he was just really excited because he had recorded the show and wanted us to listen hahaha. he got all our emails to send the show out, we’ll see. sounded cool on the headphones he had.

so driving home, adr and i stopped to get food for the first time that day. after that…i got pulled over. fucking ohio. 80 in a 65, it’ll be 90$ unless i feel like driving back down there for court. which i won’t because i’ll probably get another ticket if i do haha.

too much driving.

wednesday, my 26th birthday, was columbus. i was still irritated from the day before, and from the ticket, i didn’t even want to go anymore. but i did. and yahoo directions are wrong, it doesn’t take 4 hrs and 46 minutes to get to the venue it takes 5.5 hours. we didn’t get there til 4:30. blah. met up with everyone, and i got a nice homemade nin birthday card haha. it was cute. pit tickets again, and this time there were alot of pit people in a very small pit area. we were like, wtf we’re so not all gonna fit in here. i decided to stay in the back of the pit cuz i just didn’t feel like dealing with anyone annoying up front. peter murphy played diva again, and decided he didn’t want to sing the “saxophone” song, whatever it’s really called haha.

nin changed up the set a bit. the frail/the wretched replaced something i can never have, which was nice. bored with that song. no even deeper this time. songs got juggled at the end and i thought they were going to leave out hurt for my birthday but sadly no. however, we did finally get “get down make love” which was fantastic. and i almost got a tambourine again. hahah bounced off my hand, flipped behind me into the seats, bounced off this other girl, and to the ground. some guy ran and grabbed it. band sounded great again. aaron growls during get down make love haha. it’s nice.

one more show, tomorrow, pittsburg. we have seats so not leaving here til around 2. no need to sit in line and be annoyed. i’m very much looking forward to this all being over. the shows have been great, it’s everything else that has sucked. the whole atmosphere is different this time around. the fall and winter tours were so much better, so much more chill. so there were people you might have thought were annoying, but they weren’t pulling stupid shit all the time and starting fights and stuff. it just hasn’t been fun. i think detroit was the best, because we didn’t have to go sit at the venue all day long. trent said in toronto they’d be taking a few months off to finish a new record and then coming back. very much looking forward to a break.

and looking forward to monday when i don’t have fuck all to do. we didn’t get home til 5am from columbus, having to drive 70 all the damn way home. i had to take my car to get tires and inspected at 10, went back to bed. i told them i needed it done by 2:30 so i could meet someone at the terminal at 3. that didn’t happen. it had one tire on at 2:30. didn’t get done til 10 after 3, and he said, i hope you know you need it inspected. and i said YEAH thats why i’m here! so then that took even longer, and i didn’t get to the terminal til 4. thankfully mark was able to meet the girl there for me, and they were gone by the time i got there. i need to get my dry cleaning, and my mom wants me for dinner still i think, and i have to go to work tonight. i’ll have to sign to get out early again cuz i just need some time by myself to do fucking nothing. gah!